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this hour. i'm katy tur. kristin welker picks things up. >> great to see you. happy mnds -- monday to you. i'm kristen welker and in for my friend ali velshi. the pressure is on. congress is back in session as the calls grow louder for washington to take action on gun control. thousands are rallying at the florida state capitol. it is three weeks since a 19-year-old armed with a legally purchased ar-15 killed 17 people at marg onny stoneman douglas high school in florida and the message from students and teachers and activist is enough debate, it is time for action. in moments from now sarah huckabee sanders will take the podium for his daily press briefing after the president spent the morning discussing school safety with 39 governors. the president sparked controversy about what he would have done in the parkland situation. >> i really believe i would run
in there even if i didn't have a weapon and i think most of the people in this room would have done that too. and bump stocks were writing that out. i don't care if congress does it or not, i'm writing it out myself. don't worry about the nra, they're on our side. half of you are so afraid of the nra. there is nothing to be afraid of. >> don't worry about the nra. that is the message from president trump. joining me now from the white house briefing room is nbc news chief white house correspondent and my pal hallie jackson. so a lot of the table. sarah sanders just back from south korea traveling with ivanka trump for the closing ceremony of the olympics. she may be a little bit bleary eyed but she will come to the ipho -- the poed and there are questions about what the president is saying about the nra. >> and she will be at the podium behind us, taking questions and probably many of them on guns and this debate happening just
as lawmakers are starting to return back to capitol hill to talk through what steps could come next. the president has a series of proposals he continues to talk about. so you heard him in this listening session, in the meeting with a number of the nation's governors talking about his proposal to arm certain properly trained teachers. you heard him talking about getting rid of bump stocks. that is something that we first heard him discuss right after the deadly parkland school shooting. but the reality check from capitol hill might go at a different direction. the most likely option, the thing that seems to have the most momentum to strengthen background checks. the fix nix bill with bipartisan support in the senate and the house passed its own version to loosen conceal carry which democrats hated so what will the senate take up and when. because right now there is no debate that is even scheduled. the other piece of this is that controversial proposal to arm teachers. you saw the president get into it frankly a little bit.
politely with governor inslee of washington, a democrat from washington talking about governor -- saying there is a time for listening and tweeting. would like the president to do more of the former and less of the latter. you also have somebody that is very close could the president, his senior adviser and his daughter ivanka speaking with our other third musketeer peter alexander in an interview in pyeongchang and he askedive afrpga whether she agrees with the president's proposal to put guns in the hands of some is teachers. listen. >> do you believe that arming teachers would make children safer? >> to be honest, i don't know. i think it is a very interesting and important question. and one that we should be asking and thinking about. obviously there would have to be a high standard for who would be able to bear arms in our school. >> are you advising your dad on this or do you advise him on other topics. >> i think that having a teacher who is armed, who cares deeply
about her students or his students and who is capable and qualified to bear arms is not a bad idea but it is an idea that needs to be discussed. >> and i got to be honest, while i think the conversation may revolve around guns and the president's position on the gun debate, there are other serious topics that will be addressed. chief among them what is happening in syria and the situation there. you also have questions now that the white house has not answered about rick gates. remember that news on friday. the former deputy campaign chair pleading guilty to crimes. we have not heard anything from the white house on this. so state tuned. >> and you are on the front row so i know you have your list of questions ready. we will check back in with you after the briefing gets going. thank you very much. florida's republican state lawmakers are calling for governor rick scott to suspend democratic sheriff scott israel for what they call neglect of
duty after the department internal affairs division is looking into a claim that three of the deputies remained outside during the shooting massacre in parkland. the sheriff said he's seen no evidence of that but they are investigating. now this comes just three days after the sheriff announced the resignation of another deputy, scot peterson for remaining outside of the school at the time the gunshots were fired. with me now from parkland florida is tammy leitner. and you have been on the ground there for several days. and today for the first time we're hearing from an attorney for scot peterson, what is his message? >> reporter: that is right. an attorney for scot peterson is saying his client did in fact hideout side of the school as the shooting was going on. but that his clients was, in fact, following protocol. now he said that scot peterson initially responded to the school for a call of fire crackers. but when he learned that it was, in fact, gunfire, he determined
he thought that the gunfire was coming from outside of the school. and that is when he took a defensive position outside of the school and that is what protocol dictates. and that is what other officers started to arrive and they also took defensive positions according to him. he also said that his client, when s.w.a.t. arrived on the scene, he told them where the keys were to go into the building, where the shooting was happening and also drew them a diagram of the campus and he gave them access to the surveillance videos this which were key, we now know in locating the shooter. >> and trammy, obviously this new reporting comes as students are prepared to officially return to school on wednesday. we know that teachers starting last friday started going back, started to get preparations underway. what is the mood there? what are teachers and students saying to you today. >> reporter: this is a tough one. because we talk a lot about the students. but what we don't talk about are
the teachers as much. and i talk to a teacher a few minutes ago and she was telling me, they've had a lot of meetings and they've been very busy trying to keep it together for the students coming on to the campus. and she said they've been holding it together really well. she said but when they started walking on to the campus, it is tough. because all of a sudden you're seeing the empty seats where those students once sat. and you're seeing the emmy classrooms where the faculty once were. and one thing she pointed out, she said the teachers here need counseling and they need grief and they need the hugs and they need the support just as much as the students do. and sometimes i think that is forgotten about. kristen. >> powerful, tammy. and quickly, before i let you go. we've heard from some teachers about what they're anticipation
is for wednesday and it is a day of reflection and a day of sharing. not necessarily a day of classes, right? >> reporter: absolutely. we know that it is going to be a partial schedule. and so i think the main thing is that they want the kids to come back to school and they want them to be comfortable. these kids that are coming back to school, you have to keep in mind, this school really was frozen in time. since valentine's day when this shooting happened,s kid -- kids left their belongings behind and they want them to be comfortable and they have the emotional support and dogs an counselors and it is about easing back into it. >> tammy leitner, thank you for your reporting today and every day. we appreciate it. president trump doubled down on his proposal to prevent school shootings by arming educators. politicians on both sides of the aisle have bristled at the suggestion that more guns in school means less violence. but let's put that part of the
debate aside for a moment. right now let's just focus on the cost of the proposal. we've spent a lot of time talking about that. the president is floating 20% as the number of armed teachers he would like to see. now assuming he is lumping all public and private school teachers together, that is roughly 718,000 educators and the washington post looked at the president's goal of hardening schools. there are companies that give basic gun safety training for $100. now if all teachers took that course it would cost just shy of $72 million. but let's say there was more training. well in ohio a company gives a training course called faculty emergency sponsor faster program and teachers could take the course for free thanks to private and corporate donations. but if three quarters of a million participated, it is likely taxpayers would be asked to shoulder the cost at $1,000 per participate.
that cost would balloon to $718 million. but what about the guns? well "the washington post" looked at the glock g-17 and the company described it as the most popular pistol at $500 each, the guns could cost $359 total. so just including the basic gun safety training and firearms sh the president's idea could cost nearly a half billion dollars. but to provide the more expansive training and guns, that would bump the tab up to $1 billion and it is not only complicated and very expensive. i'm joined by someone who has a large say in this debate, jeffr jeffrey foster, a teacher at stoneman douglas high school. thank you for joining us. i know this is a difficult time for you. we appreciate you being here. >> thanks, kristen. it is very hard for the last couple of weeks. >> i know it has been. and so before we talk about next steps or any of that, i just want to know how are you doing
and how you're coping as you prepare for students to officially return to school on wednesday? >> well, i think we all are doing better than we were yesterday because the kids came back with families and that was therapeutic to say the least. we got to spend time with the parents, with the kids, with -- from the kids that have been out on the front lines for the last two weeks to the kids that haven't said anything. it was an emotional day. hugging parents and kids and having kids and parents tell you thank you for saving their lives to kids just wanting to sit in the desks of one of the children that died in your class. so it was -- it was tough. but again it was a positive step for the whole community. >> and i know critical that you take those next steps but i can't imagine how difficult they are. the students tells you they feel prepared to go back on wednesday? >> i think it is a mix. i think most of them are ready to come back. i think they are aware the curriculum isn't the most important thing yet.
but most people want to return to some sense of normalcy, whatever that might be for stoneman douglas for the rest of the year. but i would say probably by monday when we go back to the full schedule, then it will feel like the normal school with more security on campus. >> i want to get you to weigh in on the debate about how to prevent something like this from happening again. as you know, president trump is among those who floated this very controversial idea of arming some teachers. he says only those who are highly trained. do you agree with that idea? do you think that he could have a point? >> he might have a point. i'm having trouble thinking that i would be armed with a gun. i've talked to a lot of people over the last week about this. i know there is a sentinel program in polk county in florida that they say is affective and there has been no shoot gz in polk countries so it is hard to say if it is affective. i know staff wouldn't prefer for us to have guns and more security personnel if they were armed and professionals as opposed to us. >> and just so that i'm clear, it sounds like you're a little
torn. are you thinking it could perhaps work? >> yes, i am. >> is it something -- >> i don't know. i'm sorry. the argument for it would be that most of the time -- first responders don't get there until after the shooting is over and some people in place it might work again. i wouldn't say i'm for it but i could understand the merit of the argument. i don't want to discount any idea, but i want to make sure the kidded feel safe at stoneman douglas and other school in the country. >> jeffrey foster, thank you for joining us. we appreciate your perspective and our thoughts and prayers are with you. >> thank you so much. and now we do want to go to the white house briefing room where sarah saernders is just starting to take questions. >> the president feels that should be left up to local officials to make that determination. but he has been very clear in his public comments on how he
feels about the situation specifically but that is a decision that should be left up to local officials. >> and sheriff israel, should he step down? >> again those are decisions left up to the local communities. and the local officials ant n-- and not the president. >> and the president did not mention whether he wants the age limit still lifted to 21, something he had previously spoken about. could you clarify if that is still his position. will lawmakers be coming to the white house and did the president mean to say today that he will be asking for law to be crafted on bump stocks if it doesn't follow through the expective directive, he's asked the atf to craft. >> let me see if i can remember all of those questions. i'm sure yuou'll remember it. he did sign to work on outlawing of bump stocks so we don't have to wait for a legislative fix but if we can't find an administrative fix we would
support a legislative solution to complete that. on whether or not he's going to be meeting with lawmakers, the president is planning a meeting for wednesday with bipartisan members of congress, we'll have further details on that later in the week, to discuss different pieces of legislation and what they can do moving forward in terms of -- i think the last question you had was the age limit. something still being discussed but a final determination in legislative -- a piece has not been determined on that front yet. >> is that why he didn't mention it today but he mentioned it in the past. is he reconsidering how it should be implemented. >> in terms of the concept, there is still support for that. but how it would be implemented and what that might look like is still very much part of the discussion. >> under general kelly's new policy on security clearances, can you describe how many people
today lost their access to classified information? >> as we've said many times before, we're not going to discuss individual cleerpss -- clearances that goes to a broader or individual number so i won't get into that today just as i haven't in the past. >> there were any administration officials who lost their access? >> that would again be discussing security clearances which are policy is always not to do so so i'm not going to change that today. >> does the president believe that background checks should apply to gun shows and internet sales. >> the president believes we should look at strengthening background checks and we're looking at the way to do that and haven't made a final determination on what that should look like. i think that will be a large part of the conversation that takes place later this week when he visits with lawmakers. >> and one more quick one. the house bill which he has expressed support for in the past has a provision that the nra calls constitutional carry, basically allowing people with a concealed carry permit in one state to carry it to states even
if those other states don't allow concealed carry, is the president for that? >> he has been in the past. i haven't talked about it in the past so i would have to follow up with you. >> the president is getting pushback during the governor's meeting about his proposal to allow more adults in schools to carry guns. governor inslee this morning for example. has the white house heard from any jurisdiction, any school board, any state that is actively pursuing this where they don't already have that authority? >> we definitely heard from individual teachers and school personnel that support it. but look, we're not advocating for the arming of every single teacher in the schools. there are teachers and other personnel who have experienced, pre-existing training and the desire to be part of something like that. we are still listening. and making and determining the best steps forward. but we think that hardening our schools and protecting our students with trained personnel
is a viable path and one that we're very much looking at. but a final determination on what that would look like would be -- hasn't been made and will certain involve state, local and federal officials all weighing in which is a lot of what you've seen over the last couple of weeks. we've had a number of different stake holders involved. i think you've had some voices from the most conservative to the most liberal and we're looking to bring all of those groups together and determine the best path forward to do most we can to make sure we are doing everything under the administration's purview to protect the kids. >> what did the president think of the ivanka's answer to nbc when she wasn't sure whether it would work. >> look, this is something like i just sade -- said is part of the discussion and that is what we're doing right now and what we did last week and what the president did this morning. we're going to continue to do that on wednesday with lawmakers from both sides of the aisle to
make that determination. olivia. >> you mentioned north korea in your opening remarks. the president today said that russia is fighting sanctions -- on north korea. are there any consequences for that. and as you also mentioned, the possibility of dialogue, who from the administration would take point on that? >> the president would be the lead in taking point on anything that would move forward in terms of whether or not there will be any consequence, i'm not going to weigh in ahead of time and we certainly have never broadcast what we might do. but it is something the president does take very seriously. jordan. >> thanks. some conservatives on capitol hill want concealed carry r reciprocity to be included in a package of gun legislation. is that something the white house also supports? >> i just answered this for mara. but -- >> to clarify to ask. >> and the president is supportive in the past but i
haven't spoken to him resenat - recently so i would have to follow up. >> welcome back from south korea. >> thank you. >> are there any preconditions for talks that would occur between the u.s. and north korea officials. >> i mean, as we've said in the past, that any conversation that we have would match the comments that we've been making in public. and anything that would be discussed would have to be solely on the focus of them agreeing to denuclearize the peninsula. that would be the primary factor in whether we would have any conversation with them. >> the president led the delegation for the onlying ceremonies, and ivanka led the -- the delegation for the closing ceremonies. such high level administration officials were in south korea and there were some north korean officials that were present. was it a missed opportunity for both sides to talk to one another during the olympics?
>> i don't think so. i think that the message that the united states wanted to deliver was the one of maximum pressure and we continue to do that. i think you saw that in all of the remarks both publicly and those that were private between the u.s. officials and president moon and his administration and also through the actions of the treasury department with the largest sanctions ever that you saw on friday. blake. >> thank you. i want to get back to the 21 age limit for gun ownership. the president was pretty forth right about this and -- in the onset and now you just said that it is something that is still being discussed. it feels like a little bit of a downgrade. why the downgrade and to those who would say, well he had lunch with the nra over the weekend, did the nra get ahold of him? >> i don't think it is at all a downgrade. we are talking about implementation and what this
process would look like. what specific pieces of legislation might look like. and we haven't seen those yet. so it would be premature to weigh in. but as i said, the president is still supportive of the concept. trey. >> two quick questions for you you. you just returned from the region, have the north koreans been successful in driving a wedge between the south koreans and the united states? >> i don't think so. i think our alliances are as strong as ever. i think you saw that both with the vice president's visit and certainly over the last several days there was a great sense of cooperation and would you say that that alliance is still very much strong. there is no daylight between us and the south koreans. particularly on what needs to happen moving forward. >> on the cease-fire, is the president concerned about the continuing violence despite the fact there is a cease-fire brokered for the region? >> look, syria is terrorizing hundreds of thousands of civilians with air-strikes, artillery, rockets, and alooming
ground attack. the regime's use of chlorine gas -- as a weapon only intensifies this. the united states calls for an immediate end to offensive operations and urgent access for humanitarian workers and badly needed humanitarian aid. >> thank you. i also want to ask about that luncheon with the national rifle association that the president revealed today. did you say whether that was on saturday or whether it was on sunday and why wasn't that on the president's public schedule given that he's a pretty open supporter of the nra and he often talked about it. >> it was on sunday. he wasn't trying to keep it under wraps or else he wouldn't have announced it so publicly and it is a public conversation and everyone is in agreement things need to be done and we have to have changes to take place to do what we can to protect americas kids and members of the nra want to be part of that discussion and as we've said, the president is taking information from a number of stake holders and to try to
pretend he's being influenced by any one group would be ridiculous considering the number of individuals he met with that come from both the far left to the far right and a lot of those in between and we'll continue those conversations and meet with bipartisan lawmakers on wednesday later this week. >> the reason i'm asking about what day the lunge took place sarah is because yet morning the nra spokesperson said these are things he is discussing when it comes to the age limit that blake was asking about. it does seem like there was a softening of the stance from the president between what we heard last week and what we are hering now today. and is it at this point is the president firmly committed to that if he could see it in a legislative form. >> again we haven't seen the legislation in form yet. so we're not going to speak to potential legislation that doesn't exist, that may have a lot of different nuance language. in concept the president still supports it. but in terms of legislation, we need to see what that looks like before we weigh in further.
hallie -- i'm disappointed that peter didn't make. it we were on the same travel schedule. you should give him a hard time for that. >> thank you. want to -- i want to follow up with trey. given the guilty plea from rick gates on friday, what is your view on the president's -- that three people linked to his campaign were -- >> and anything beyond that because those are active investigations i'm not going any further than that. >> they served on his campaign? >> yeah, but those actions that are under review and under investigation took place before to him being part of the president's campaign. >> let me ask you about syria. because in -- i think it was last summer sean spicer who was at this podium issued a statement that said if assad conducts another mass murder he and his military will pay a heavy price. given the developments in syria, should the assad regime on notice and is president trump
talked with president putin in recent days about the situation. >> i think the president put the assad regime on notice sometime ago and we're continuing to echo that message. when i said that we call for an immediate end to the offensive operations, we mean it. but in terms of any specific action, as we've se-- said befo, i will not broadcast what we may or may not do. but i think they should absolutely take it very seriously. >> and is there trump and putin decisions. >> i'm not aware of any conversations. i don't think anything has taken place -- >> and what is the immediate time line. >> as the president said, he's not going to lay out a specific calendar. he thinks that is a big mistake when it comes to putting pressure on and noegtsiegotiatii won't do that today. >> two things. first on the question about the background checks. the president has talked about making background checks stronger but that would suggest that he thinks that an affective
background check is a useful tool. so can you say for sure whether he would support what had been talked about as universal background checks in 2013, the idea of expanding the existing background check system to also cover private sales of gun shows on the internet? is that something that he's open to or looking at. >> i'm not aware -- the position that he's in right now, i do know that he supports the cornin legislation and that would be something that the administration could get behind. in terms of other specific pieces of legislation, the stop guns violence act would be another piece of legislation that the president would specifically support. any legislation beyond that, we would have to see what it looks like and review that before we make that determination. >> -- [ inaudible question ]. >> i haven't asked him that specifically. >> and the first lady today in her remarks -- about -- to the governors, the spouses, i guess, talked -- mentioned the young
students from stoneman douglas who had been advocating over the past couple of weeks. praised them and said their voices need to be heard. given a large majority of the students are expressing views that run counter to the policies of this administration, or the things this administration would support, for example assault weapons bans, does the president also agree with the first lady that these are important voices that need to be heard? >> absolutely. that is the reason that he had a number of them at the white house just last week and while we're going to continue to have those conversations, that is one piece of the conversation. and it is certainly one that is very important and should be listened to. and that was why that was the very first meeting that the president held on school safety was hearing from a number of the students. we want to continue that dialogue as well as continue the conversations with state and local and federal officials. that is why the president had the governors here today. and that is why he's going to have meetings with lawmakers
from congress from both sides of the aisle later this week. we'll take one last question. jim? >> when the president said earlier today that he would have run into the school, was he suggesting that he could have saved the day? >> i think he was just stating that as a leader, he would have stepped in and hopefully been able to help as a number of the individuals that were in the school, the coach and other adults -- and even a lot of students stepped up and helped protect other students. i think the point he was making is that he would have wanted to have played a role in that as well. >> and can i follow up -- is he trained in firing a weapon? is he trained in use a handgun or a firearm of some sort. >> i don't think that is the point he was making. he said he would be a leader and would want to take a courageous action and a lot of the individuals that helped protect others that day weren't carrying firearms which i think shows that you can be helpful in that
process. >> -- parents are worried if you have a lot of people inside of the schools with weapons that this could turn into a situation like the wild west. what would you say to parents out there who are worried about faculty members and coaches and administrators packing heat in school. >> that is why we've having this conversation. there are a lost parents -- and we heard from one of them whose daughter was tragically murdered last week. one of the parents from parkland who advocated for personnel to have guns. there is a lot of people on both sides and we are continuing to have the discussions and opened most you have then up so you could see where a number of the people are and see there are a lot of voices on both sides and we're doing everything that we can do bring those groups together to unify the country and do everything we can to make sure we're taking the biggest and the strongest steps forward in protecting america's kids. i know i said that was the last question but jeff i'll take one last one and then call it a day. >> china has moved to get rid of
term limits which would allow president xi to stay in office indefinitely. what is the white house position. >> i believe that is a decision for china to make about what is best for their country. but as you know, the president's talked about term limits in a number of capacities during the campaign and something that he supports here in the united states. but that is a decision that would be up to china. thanks so much. i hope you have a great day. maybe we'll do longer tomorrow after i get a full night's rest. >> sarah huckabee-sanders briefing the press hours after returning from south korea for the closing ceremony of the olympics. and answering a range of topics, everything from gun control to north korea, syria as well as the russia probe. when she got a number of questions about where the president stands right now in terms ever his proposal to arm some teachers, asked if he was backtracking from that stance at all after having met with the nra over the weekend, sarah
sanders disputed that saying this is an ongoing discussion. and our chief white house correspondent hallie jackson was in the front row pressing her on a range of topics what were your take aaways today. >> we're looking ahead to the wednesday meeting between president trump and what she said is a bipartisan group of lawmakers to talk specifics and one of the critical things we'll learn is what specifics will come out of this proposal to raise the minimum age to buy a semi-automatic weapon from 18 to 21. you heard sarah sanders say the president is still in concept supports this. but this is interesting because the nra opposes this plan. the nra made very clear and has reiterated it does not support this. so sanders left open what felt like a little bit of wiggle room to see what kind of text a bill would have. because no bill has been formally introduced on that topic. the president sticks by his call
to arm teachers and she -- some teachers that are properly trained and addressed the comments the president made a couple of hours ago about how he would go into -- would have gone into that parkland school building when the shooting happened even if he did not have a weapon. sanders saying he was simply trying to point out that he would want to step up and be a leader. as for the growing controversy over the future of broward county sheriff israel, sanders said she would leave that up to the local jurisdictions. >> hallie jackson, thank you very much. appreciate it. and now the center of this gun control debate is in parkland, florida. where students continue to make their voices heard. this morning we heard from 17-year-old mattie willford, a junior shot multiple times in the chest, abdomen and right arm during the attack. the moment she arrived the hospital medical director of trauma services described her appearance as pale, not responsive and in shock. she underwent three operations in 40 hours but this morning she was smiling alongside her
parents and praised the doctors and first responders who saved her life. take a listen. >> i would just like to say that i'm so grateful to be here and it wouldn't be possible without those officers and first responders and these amazing doctors and especially all of the love that everyone has sent. >> just incredible. so many people. so grateful to see her there today. one of the first responders there, lieutenant lazo from the coral springs fire department. he was one of the heroes who treated mattie wilford at the scene. the lieutenant joins me now. thank you so much for being here and for everything that you have done.
we really appreciate it, lieutenant. >> thank you, ma'am. >> your thoughts and emotions as you sat there and listened to mattie today? what an emotional press conference and could you feel how grateful she was to you and the other first responders. >> yes, ma'am. it was. just knowing that we had been used miraculously to help save her life, really brought out a lot of emotions. >> and you made what could potentially be seen as a life-saving decision. you made a determination about which hospital to take her to. you wanted to take her to the hospital that was closest to the school. talk about what went into what was a split-second decision on your part? >> well, during our mci or multi casualty incidents, the transport officer makes that determination during that
call -- everything that was going on, i heard -- in the back somewhere take her to broward general and i tried to -- she looked like she was older than the pediatric for transport determinations so i wasn't -- i looked at her and i elicited painful stimuli response and she told me twice i remember she told me she was 17 and at that time i made the determination o to -- to transport her to north broward which is ten miles away. at time she looked critical. she was in the -- in shock. i come to find out later on that she had anewsroom ore thorax which is a potentially deadly injury. >> do you think that decision that you made saved her life, lieutenant? >> ma'am, i will let the doctor who responded this morning
respond to that. and he said yes. >> i imagine you have a lot of memories of that day. i'm sure some of them very difficult. to what extent do you keep replaying that over and over in your head. i know you are a community -- in a community in the process right now of healing. >> yes, ma'am. we are all healing. and our fire chief frank bab onic and the rest of our staff has provided us with a lot of counselors to help us cope. we've been overwhelmed with help. >> well one of the things that i think we've all been so struck by is the fact these students are now speaking out, they're using their voices to talk about the next steps that they would like to see to prevent this from ever happening again. without weighing in on the debate itself, i wonder what you make of that and do you think their voices are being heard?
>> ma'am, i'm in uniform, i have no comment in reference to what their position is or will be in the future. i just -- i have no comment on that. >> and just finally, do you feel like you're getting the resources you need as a community? you talked about some of the -- some of them to help you in this healing process? >> absolutely. the city, both cities of coral springs and parkland have countless resources for coping and i think we're doing great in that sense. we're receiving everything that we need. >> lieutenant lazo, thank you so much for joining us from the coral springs fire department and for all of the lives that you saved on that day. we really appreciate hearing from you. >> thank you, ma'am. and we will have a lot more on this later in the hour. including a look at how american companies are increasing the pressure on the nra.
but first we'll visit one of the biggest stop -- topics on capitol hill, right now, the democratic memo released over the weekend to rebut claims that law enforcement abused their powers in seeking permission to wiretap a former trump campaign associate as part of the russia investigation. did the democratic memo make the case and we'll look at that question when we come right back after a quick break. stay with us. hi, i'm bob harper, and i recently had a heart attack. it changed my life. but i'm a survivor. after my heart attack, my doctor prescribed brilinta. it's for people who have been hospitalized for a heart attack. brilinta is taken with a low-dose aspirin. no more than 100 milligrams as it affects how well brilinta works. brilinta helps keep platelets from sticking together and forming a clot. in a clinical study, brilinta worked better than plavix.
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there is new fallout today in the wake of that highly anticipated memo released by democrats over the weekend. the ten-page document was a sharp rebuttal to the republican version that came out earlier this month. that memo compiled by house intelligence chairman devin nunes accused the fbi of abusing its powers to conduct surveillance on a former trump campaign adviser. the democrats claim that the memo was full of distortions an part of an effort to discredit the bureau during the russia investigation. and for more i'm joined by charlie savage and a correspondent. thank you for joining me. appreciate it. >> no problem. hi. >> so let's delve into your article out in the "times" over
the weekend titled "five takeaways from the release from the democratic mem o"what do you think people should be taking away from this. >> so a lot of this confirmed what we've been hearing off the record or on background from sources but now we see it in a declassified memo that contains verbatim excerpts from the underlying surveillance application as the heart of this dispute. one piece of it is, yes, the information from the notorious steele dossier was used in this application of a former trump campaign associate. but the information that was used from that dossier was very narrow. apparently it focused only on a july 2016 meeting that carter page had had in moscow and all kinds of other information about years of suspicions the fbi had that he was being recruited by russian spies and including a revelation that as recently as march of 2016 they had interviewed him about his
contacts with russian intelligence officials many months before chris steele was looking at him. another takeaway was that the republicans who have been saying it is outrageous, that the steele information was used in any form in this application have struggled to come up with exactly why. and one of the arguments made in the nunes memo is, well the judge was not told that this was opposition political research, that steele's research was financed by the democratic national committee and the hillary clinton campaign, thus the judge was misled and thought this was neutral information as the implication when he should have taken it with a grain of salt and democrats have been saying that is a lie, the judge did know this had a political motivation but without specific names attached. this had a verbatim skperp that shows the fbi did indeed tell the judge they thought that the research had been commissioned by someone with a motivation of discrediting donald trump's campaign. so the judge was on notice to take it with a grain of salt as
opposition research. there is a number of in the weeds factual disputes that are underlying this whole argument that the memo goes through and sheds new light upon. >> and that was a great breakdown. no surprise that president trump was out over the weekend saying the democratic memo hasn't disproven anything and he reiterated something that we've heard from him time and time again which there is no collusion between his campaign and the russians. take a listen to what he told fox news over the weekend. >> you have all of these committees, everybody is looking -- there is no collusion. no phone calls, i had no phone calls, no meetings, no nothing. there is no collusion. >> charlie, a number of us noted that he had a slightly new version of that saying there were no phone calls. he added that to his talking point. what did you make of his reaction, does it change the equation in any way? >> well, a piece of it is the
underlying question of was the election in 2016 torqued by russian meddling. for a long time the president tried to gaslight about that and say, oh, maybe it was someone who was -- we don't know if it was the russians and cast doubt on his own intelligence findings that the russians did indeed try to slant that election and he's backed away but still insists there was no collusion. maybe his campaign was the passive beneficiary rather than actively. that is a question that remains open and that robert mueller is exploring and we don't know -- it is unknowable whether it changed the outcome of russian activities. as far as no phone calls, i don't know what to make of that. trump starting riffing on things and throws things behind them that don't have any meaning or some document that he's seen that shows what phone records he was looking at this time. >> and the russia probe
intensifies. charlie savage, thank you very much. we appreciate your insight today. lawmakers back on the hill after a ten-day break to try to work out a solution amid the recent outcry over gun violence. congressman from florida ted deutsche tweeted today a joined congressman and more colleagues to introduce the assault weapons ban. it is time for congress to listen to the will of majority of americans and pass sensible legislation to get the weapons of war off our streets and #never again. and following the action from capitol hill is von hilliard. great to see you today. >> the likelihood that that will happen, and anything that only has democratic support, the chance of any of that type of legislation passing is essentially nil at many point. the question is what does have the opportunity to pass. there is one piece of legislation and they are calling it the fix nics bill.
and there is a federal data base where they report criminal history for when individuals try to purchase a weapon. that data base is checked. the only legislation at this point that has much light of day before this meeting on wednesday is that legislation which would add incentives to enforcing the law that is already in the books. there is another piece of lation -- legislation mansion tomby and that would cluz the background check loopholes for online sales as well as gun showsism ju shows, i just talked to joe manchin and i asked him about the bill and he said they are waiting for the word of the president of the united states. and i said, is this really the way that the congress is going to operate? waiting for the word of the president who has struggled seemingly to articulate what his plan and proposals are and he said, quote, that is the way it is around here now. kristen. >> and speaking of the president, he said he wants to see a vote on the fix nics bill
this week and unlikely we'll see that because the house is only in session two days. when do you think realistically based on your conversations we could see any vote? >> remind you, kristin, this is the congress that hasn't had a vote on bump stocks. after the october 1st shooting in las vegas, that seemed to have bipartisan agreement, but it has not come up to a vote. and we're more than five months later after that incident. so, whether the house can actually put that forward, paul ryan in the house has already indicated they're not going to take up any legislation till the senate does. as you've been seeing over the last year when it came to tax reform, when it came to health care, getting anything done quickly around here has been pretty difficult. kristin? >> vaughn hilliard, great work from capitol hill. i know it's going to be a busy couple of days for you. we appreciate it. the movement to pressure companies to cut ties with the nra is pushing forward at full speed. the "wall street journal" is reporting some banks and investment firms including black
rock, bank of america and black rock group are taking it a step further and reevaluating their relationships with the gun manufacturers themselves. for more i'm joined by brian sullivan. great to see you. what is the take away from sending this type of pressure directly to the source, to gun manufacturers? does that mean -- does it stand a better chance of actually achieving results for these companies? >> you know, kristin, that is i guess the trillion dollar question. it is an important one as well. thank you for having me on. the two stories are similar but separate. on one hand you have companies ending their relationship with the nra, discounts, partnerships, united airlines, bank of omaha, enterprise rental cars and couple others. then you've got the investment side. two different stories. one is ending the relationship, the other one is actually investing in the publicly traded gun and gun related companies. you mentioned black rock. maybe not a household name, but they're one of the biggest indexing companies, in other words, they have etfs, they have big index funds. and they and vanguard which are
known as passive investors, they don't pick stocks, they index. they are actually the single biggest stockholders in two of the three publicly traded gun companies. not because they're saying let's invest in gun companies, rather kristin, that because these gun stocks are in these indexes, indirectly they are investing in this. and by the way, pension funds, including the teachers pension funds of new york, kentucky, texas and many other states, they are also invested in the gun companies because their pension funds own some of these index funds. so, you've got the partnership deals that are ending plus you've got now the revaluation of investment processes. we'll see if the financial pressure will be enough to move -- i wish i had an answer to your question. time will be the answer i suspect. >> well, we will be tracking it closely. and i'm sure you will be as well. brian sullivan, thank you so much. appreciate it. >> you're welcome. >> coming up next is robert mueller ratcheting up the pressure on trump's inner circle with his indictments.
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manafort is facing criminal charges but denies any wrongdoing. he is going to be arraigned on friday we just learned. 13 russian nationals have also been charged. and, again, this just in. paul manafort will be arraigned on friday for the additional charges that were filed this friday which involve bank fraud and tax evasion. for more now on what all of this means we want to welcome our msnbc contributor jill wine-banks. she was special prosecutor during the watergate scandal. jill, thanks for being here. >> thank you. >> the big question looming over all of this and we know there are sensitive negotiations going on behind the scenes between the president's legal team and the team of special counsel robert mueller is whether or not the president will sit for an interview with the special counsel himself. where do you think this is going? do you think that's likely at this point? >> i'm putting my money on mr. mueller because he has the power to subpoena the president, and the president can't get out
of it except by claiming his 5th amendment prinl. privilege. it would be nice to arrange something that works for the convenience of the president, but i don't think it is up to him to decide whether he will or won't talk to the special prosecutor. >> do you this this leads to a subpoena? do you think that's what we're going to see instead of some agreement worked out behind the scenes? >> i'm on the myst-- optimistic there will be an agreement. the president says he has nothing to hide so let's have him come forward and cooperate. >> jill, when you take a step back and look at all the indictments and guilty pleas we've seen in recent days, it raises the question about whether or not this investigation is intensifying. can you say that based on what we've seen -- in other words, are we getting closer potentially to the end of this probe, or can you not tell that at this point? >> i think it's premature to say we're getting to the end of the probe. the probe is definitely continuing in a very forward
fashion, and we are seeing more people close to the president. we now have the deputy campaign chairman who was pleading guilty. that's getting pretty high up in the chain of events. we have someone who could pressure manafort who was the chairman. we have someone who was in the meetings with don junior and kushner, which is manafort, who may be pressured to start cooperating. his case seems really like a lock. and if he's going to be convicted, it's in his best interest to start cooperating rather than spend the rest of his natural life in jail. so, it is getting closer and closer to the president, and closer and closer to his son and his son-in-law. >> well, all eyes will be on that friday arraignment of his former campaign chair paul manafort. that's for sure. jill wine-banks, nbc news contributor and former assistant watergate special prosecutor. thank you so much for joining us this hour. >> thank you.
>> and that brings this very busy hour to a close for me. allie velshi will be back in the chair at 3:00 eastern. "deadline white house" with nicolle wallace starts right now. >> hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york. it's a now familiar pattern, a flurry of indictments in the mueller probe, a weekend of unhinged tweets from the president that the staff ignores. thrown in the water at fox news to rile up the base. then come monday morning with don sewpursuit and plays presid again. telling the nation what he would have done if he had been in parkland, florida on the day of the tragic shooting. >> i got to watch some deputy sheriffs performing this weekend. they weren't exactly medal of honor winners, all right. the way they performed was frankly disgusting. they were listening to what was going on. the one in particular, he was early.